Vilken sorts talträning…?

You know some people go to elocution classes, where they learn a degree of conscious control over their articulation, so that they enunciate their words more clearly. Well, why do you think doing that doesn’t trigger them to stutter?

The answer becomes clearer if you substitute the words ”hold back” for stutter.  What you see when someone stutters is a conflict between letting go and holding back — that is, two forces of equal strength pulling in opposite directions.  By contrast, there is no conflict when a person is exercising conscious control over their articulation if their only intention is to shape how they are articulating.

John

Här vill jag bara påpeka, att vi här får lite/mycket stöd för TALAkademins kurser. Det beror på hur man väljer att betona. Men stöd blir det i vilket fall!  (:-)

How many hours of practice do you need for restoring your speech?

INTRODUCTION

Hi Åke,
It’s good to hear from you again, young man. J  I’m sorry it’s taken a little while to respond to your email but I really have been busy of late (with child care duties and public speaking engagements).  I simply couldn’t find sufficient time to sit down and give proper consideration to the question you posed.

Jag har frågat Alan Badmington om lyckosam talträning. Hur lång tid av träning behövs det för en person som har stamning i sitt tal att bli normaltalande? Jag tycker det är intressant med Alans svar som jag nu presenterar.

Mc Guire
As you are well aware, the turning point in my life occurred when I attended a 4-day residential McGuire course in May 2000. The costal breathing virtually eliminated my blocking overnight, thereby allowing me to talk with incredible freedom and confidence. The physiological tools that I acquired made it so much easier to say/pronounce the “difficult” letters/sounds that had caused me so many problems throughout my life.

Bröstkorgsandningens funktionella betydelse som Alan hänvisar till här förvånade mig första gången jag hade tillfälle att bekanta mig med den. Det skedde i Uppsala vid en McGuire-kurskurs någon gång efter år 1995. Vid det tillfället hade jag ingen uppfattning om varför costal andning (= hög andning; dvs bröstkorgsandning) skulle vara att föredra framför den låga buk- och flankandningsteknik som jag själv lärde på 60-talet under logopedutbildningen. Jag var mest frågande inför vad jag fick se. Och ganska länge därefter. Men idag tror jag, att  McGuire har upptäckt och dragit nytta av att den som stammar – med denna teknik på ett bra och snabbt sätt – får uppleva betydelsen av att en kraftig luftmängd på utandningen plötsligt löser upp en ljudblockering. Så fungerar det  åtminstone på mig själv. Än idag.

Fyra dagars kurs

Throughout those 4 days, I seized every opportunity to speak – chatting one-to-one with individuals; within small group environments; and/or when addressing everyone.  (I should mention that there were more than 100 McGuire graduates present in the conference room.)

Från tidig morgon till sen kväll tränar deltagarna med varandra och i flera/många olika grupper. Under fyra dagar! Detta visar den intensiva talträningens betydelse för framgång och snabbt resultat för deltagarna. En betydelsefull lärdom från McGuire, tycker jag.

Dag 3. Träning och ha KUL!!

On day 3 of the course, we ventured out onto the streets to approach (and speak with) total strangers.  Thanks to the Edinburgh Masker (that I had worn for more than 20 years), I already possessed good interpersonal skills.  As a result, I felt comfortable engaging in conversation with the 287 persons that I encountered during that unforgettable Saturday afternoon in Cardiff. I didn’t deliberately set out to speak to any specific number of people – I simply found it so enjoyable that I conversed with everyone in sight.  J

Tänk att det kan vara så kul att talträna! Men jag tror för min del att det mest beror på gruppdynamik. Är man 287 personer samtidigt ute på stan så blir det en ovanlig gemensam styrka som agerar i. Man vågar i grupp göra något gemensamt! Ensam blir det inte lika självklart lätt. Då blir det i stället en naturlig påfrestning. Den kan vara lätt att backa inför. Men låt oss lära och dra positiv nytta av situationen!

Inget organiskt fel – FUN to speak!

During that 4-day course, I discovered that there was nothing organically wrong with my speech. Speaking became pleasurable and not the exhausting chore it had been for so many years.  For the first time in my life, I enjoyed the physical act of speaking.

Många har genom träning förbättrat sin muntliga framställning. Träningsarbetet har då lett fram till en känsla av glädje. Det är alltså KUL med träning i att tala bättre. Så har man också upplevt talträningen i TALAkademin under många år. Väl värt för alla att lägga märke till.

Glädjen med talet under kontroll

When I returned home, I immediately set about dismantling the psychological framework that had supported my stutter for so many years. Although (in my eyes) I had achieved so much in my pre-McGuire days, my speech had always been so unreliable.  It fluctuated from minute to minute; from person to person; from situation to situation. I never knew where, or when, lightning was going to strike. J But now, I was in control – it felt so exhilarating.

När man kommit på hur man skall tala med flyt, blir det roligare att arbeta vidare med talträning. Ingår man i en träningsgrupp är det optimalt. Man stimuleras av gruppens medlemmar. Delad glädje är dubbel glädje. Genom internet är det möjligt att bilda många olika träningsgrupper genom SKYPE. Det vet redan engagerade medlemmar inom TALAkademin.

Attitydförändring

I devised an extensive programme of expansion that allowed me to challenge myself in a wide array of speaking situations. I knew that working on the mechanics of my speech had only limited value and that, if I wanted to enjoy permanent gains, I needed to change the belief system and narrow self-concept that had restricted my life for so many years.

Hur man tänker om saker och ting inverkar på hur man talar. Hur gör man om man känner att blir nervös i en talsituation? Man kanske väljer att hålla tyst i stället för att tala. Av olika anledningar. Det här tar tid att komma till rätta med i så fall. Man måste då träna sig i att byta attityd – från negativ till positiv attityd. Oftast med ett parallellt analysarbete som tar mer tid än man kan tro.

Träna på med friskt mod!

I wasn’t satisfied with confining my newly-acquired speaking prowess to the safe, supportive, McGuire environment.  I wanted to speak well (and sample the exhilaration and freedom) at ALL times.  At first, it was disconcerting when I spoke because I had purposely blocked out the sound of my own voice for more than two decades. But, having discarded my mechanical crutch (the Edinburgh Masker), I liked what I heard and I haven’t stopped talking since. 

Nej, just det! Det gäller att utvidga sin ”confort zoon” så snart som möjligt. En betydelsefull hjälp till detta har hos oss TALAkademins verksamhet under årens lopp varit. Och så blir det även i fortsättningen. NU närmast i Göteborg om en vecka, den 25 mars. Stamningsföreningen Västra Götaland arrangerar. Passa på att delta! Ring eller maila!

Viktigt att gå på kursen

I used subsequent courses and support groups to gain further empowerment by seizing every opportunity to speak in front of others. I also joined several public speaking clubs and enrolled for various seminars/workshops seemingly unrelated to stuttering. I just wanted to speak to anyone. This had the effect of reinforcing my belief that my recovery was not temporary or fragile (as had been the case on previous occasions when I had attempted other therapy/approaches).

Det är lättare att tala i vissa situationer. Likväl vill man inte nöja sig med detta. Man vill kunna tala i alla olika situationer. Och med vem som helst.

”This had the effect of reinforcing my belief that my recovery was not temporary or fragile (as had been the case on previous occasions when I had attempted other therapy/approaches).

Det anses viktigt inom TALAkademin att man skall kunna fortsätta sin talträning så länge som behov föreligger. Annars kommer man att snart konstatera, att talträning i likhet med annan tillfällig träning är övergående. Det brukar märkas inom att intervall på två månader.

Den personliga attitydens betydelse

Ake, ever since completing that initial McGuire course in 2000, I make a point of chatting with every Tom, Dick and Harry.  I speak, and speak, and speak at EVERY opportunity – from first thing in the morning until last thing at night (including using the telephone).   My vocal cords are CONSTANTLY in operation.  I exercise them for MANY, MANY HOURS EVERY DAY – not because I have to – but because I now find the act of speaking such a joy.

300 minutes of chatter per week equates to less than 43 minutes per day.   Wow! – that’s nothing!  It’s a small price to pay if someone genuinely has a desire to become a more effective communicator.

I’m sorry, but I must close at this point because it’s past my bedtime.  J

Kindest regards

Alan


On Saturday, November 5, 2016 3:19 PM, Åke Byström <ake.bystrom@bredband.net> wrote:

Michael Williams <michael@thestartspeakingtrainingcenter.com>

Who Is This Opportunity For?

  • Professionals or professionally-minded individuals.
  • Ready and willing to invest at least 300 minutes per week in formal practice.Hi Alan,
    what do you think of 300 minutes per week in formal practice?  
    Is that what you have to-day experienced too?
    I remember asking you this question long ago. And I remenber your avoiding reply then? Have you got another answer this week? 🙂
    Kindest regards
    Åke

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  • Ready and excited to “try” to use what they are learning in their daily conversations.
  • Sick and tired of earning less for which they are qualified.
  • Sick and tired of constantly being in fear of stuttering.
  • Sick and tired of not speaking up and out because of stuttering.
  • Ready to be and do more with their life.

 

Vad innebär McGuire-programmet?

To: neurosemanticsofstuttering@yahoogroups.com

”Hazel, I’m not sure if you know the answer to this but I thought I’d ask. How does the McGuire program actually prevent stuttering? Like does it do something with the vocal cords like relax them or push them apart? Or do they think stuttering is caused by the diaphragm malfunctioning, and it somehow prevents that?”
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Alex – you know how to ask BIG questions J ( 🙂

There are various aspects to the McGuire approach – both physical and psychological.  On the physical side, the costal breathing helps to keep the diaphragm moving freely as we speak. I.e. it helps to prevent it contracting when it should be relaxed.  As we know, there can be various triggers for our diaphragm contracting when speaking e.g. fear of stuttering and the various negative meanings we give to it; thinking of the words first and then trying to say them; anticipating difficulty saying certain sounds etc.  Basically, anything which messes up our mind/body’s inbuilt natural ability to produce fluent speech, which can only happen when “thinking”, “activating our voice” and “articulation” are all happening simultaneously and automatically.  So, the McGuire breathing method provides a way to dramatically reduce the likelihood of our diaphragm freezing when speaking.

Another physical aspect is the deeper tone which, I understand, helps to keep the vocal folds further apart when speaking, so that they’re less likely to uncontrollably clamp together.  I certainly find this aspect really helpful and it keeps my focus away from my mouth/throat etc – where most of the struggle takes place when we stutter.  Also it does provide a more powerful way of speaking, so it’s great for voice projection – without straining it.  I also find that feeling the vibrations of my voice resonating through my chest as I speak very helpful and, actually, does make me more aware of the fact that it’s my voice which is the basis of speaking – like Barbara (Dahm) says.

On the psychological side there’s the voluntary stuttering (“deliberate dysfluency”) which is great for reducing the fear of stuttering and being open and honest with people about the fact that we stutter.  Also non-avoidance of sounds, words, speaking situations and pushing out one’s comfort zone on a regular basis.  There’s more to it than this but these are the basics.   I think McGuire is something which needs to be experienced to fully appreciate the benefits of it.  Of course, there needs to be a willingness to speak differently in the outside world and to not try to speak fluently or to not try to speak like everyone else.  I’ve pretty much reached that point now.  I really don’t care if my breathing isn’t completely natural anymore.  It’s more important to me that I communicate clearly and in a way which reflects the real me and in a way which is enjoyable and fun.  As I’ve said before, I think over time, the way I breathe won’t be as exaggerated as it can be at the moment, and will appear more natural.  Also I will have more flow – especially when I more fully give up thinking about the words!!!

Hope this kind of answers your question, Alex.  Do let us know how you’re getting on, from time to time, as you feel able.  We’re all here to help and support each other, whatever route we’re taking J
Hazel
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Jag tycker att Hazel gör en intresseväckande beskrivning av McGuire-programmet, när hon svarar på Alex’ frågor. ”On the physical side, the costal breathing helps to keep the diaphragm moving freely as we speak.” Diafragman skall tydligen röra sig fritt, när man talar. Det låter bra, tycker jag. När man spänner sig samtidigt som man talar, brukar det inte gå så bra att tala med flyt. Jag har noterat att det finns fler än en person som spänner sig och samtidigt stammar. Men det ska man inte göra enligt Hazel: ”So, the McGuire breathing method provides a way to dramatically reduce the likelihood of our diaphragm freezing when speaking.”
– I think McGuire is something which needs to be experienced to fully appreciate the benefits of it. Ja, som vanligt är det ju så, att för att en metod skall fungera till 100% så måste hela metoden ”- needs to be experienced to fully appreciate the benefits of it.

Så är det också med TALAkademins erfarenheter av talträning. Man måste behärska de grundläggande färdigheterna till fullo. Tag chansen att träna med TALAkademin på årets kursarrangemang. Nu närmast tillsammans med Stamningsföreningen Västra Götaland i slutet av Mars månad.

 

From: neurosemanticsofstuttering@yahoogroups.com [mailto:neurosemanticsofstuttering@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 4:30 AM
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Subject: [neurosemanticsofstuttering] Re: Update

 

 

 

 

Hur man frågar… spelar en viktig roll för svaret

It’s the difference between ”Can I?” versus ”How will I?”  In the expressive arts, it’s about ”How do I execute the moves?” vs.”What do I want to express?”  The mind is exquisitely exquisitely equipped to master movement and actions without conscious thought. Ask any ballet dancer or accomplished athlete. Mastery comes through repetition and trust.  And in all these activities, there has to come a time where you give up conscious control and allow your intention to take over and run the show.

John H.

”Som man frågar får man svar.” En lustig mening, kan jag tycka. Som skolelev förstod jag inte vitsen med uttrycket. Idag tycker jag emellertid att det är ett viktigt påpekande. Det gäller att ställa de rätta frågorna för att få rätt svar vid varje tillfälle. Kan man lära sig att tala annorlunda genom att hitta rätt svar på frågan HUR? Ja, vad som behövs är REPETION och TILLIT till det man gör. Se ovanstående citat. Och träningen är klar, när allt det nya har blivit automatiserat. Då behöver man inte längre tänka på HUR man talar. Ja, detta får man erfara som aktiv medlem inom TALAkademin.

”… but so far it’s working.”

It’s great that others have experienced this as well. I know a lot of the stuttering community is still mystified about stuttering. Hearing of multiple accounts of people having similar experiences when recovering is so beneficial to a pws who are looking for things to try to get over stuttering.
– Christian
On Jan 27, 2017, at 8:06 AM, Ruthymead ruthymead@gmail.com [neurosemanticsofstuttering] <neurosemanticsofstuttering@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Christian, your explanation as to why you stuttered is exactly true for me also.  Somehow I got it in my head that I had to push words out because I couldn’t trust

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On Jan 26, 2017, at 10:59 PM, cnevarez72@yahoo.com [neurosemanticsofstuttering] <neurosemanticsofstuttering@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

With the knowledge I have now about stuttering I am pretty confident I know what things took place that led me to develop chronic stuttering. (This won’t be much of a detailed act about my personal life. The purpose of this is to express my understanding of what causes stuttering. My story just helps to explain this.)

When I was younger I held back which caused symptoms in my speech which led me to not trust my speech. At the time I did not understand that the blocks & stuttering was just a symptom. I did not know holding back was the cause.

But wait holding back isn’t the only cause.. well in the beginning it was the only cause for me, but later down the road another cause came into my life. Yes I said another cause. For me there was soon not just 1 cause but 2 causes. During the time I was clueless about both causes. When the 2nd cause came into my life my stuttering & speech became a lot worse.

Well you are probably asking now ”What is the 2nd cause??” Well remember that because I was stuttering/blocking I started to not trust my speech. So what happened because of that lack of trust was I started to do a behavior that caused me to stutter/block even more. Ok here is the cause of my stuttering/blocking – I started to consciously try to manufacture words with my tongue & mouth & I would pre plan sentences in my head then speak. (Where I got the idea to do this was from traditional speech therapy teachings) The cause was Effortful speech. At the time & for many years I spoke like this, effortfully. The more effort the more pre planning the worse my speech.

During those years I did not know the causes.
But now with the knowledge I have now about stuttering I am confident in the causes.

There were two things causing my stuttering 1. Holding back. 2. Speaking in a effortful way. (Not speaking naturally)

Not too long ago I really made progress in letting go & in speaking naturally. My speech has been more fluent than it has ever been.

Currently I am still getting used to speaking naturally without effort.. & to be honest I am still skeptical if this is the correct way to speak.. but so far it’s working. I am just stubborn. Old habits & beliefs die hard I guess.. after all I was speaking for half my life in an effortful way. I also am learning to let go rather hold back which has affected my speech positively as well.

– Christian

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Posted by: Christian Nevarez <cnevarez72@yahoo.com>


 
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All of me…

If there’s one thing I’ve learned about chronic stuttering and blocking, it’s that it’s far more than just a speech problem.  It is, in fact, a system problem that involves all of you.

…And it did validate what I was discovering about myself, my life, and my ability to express myself.
(Klipp från  ”A trip on LSD and what I learned about chronic stuttering”
By John C. Harrison)

 

Så här kan man göra, när man taltränar i USA idag

Right now I believe I’m on on the ”trusting spectrum”. My trust is growing but it still has more room to grow. I want to think I trust this new way of speaking because I have had situations where it seems reliable, but I know I’m still having a hard time trusting. Although My trust is growing. Since I don’t trust entirely I’m still being strict with myself about going out & speaking in this new way despite my fear & doubt. So far the pattern has looked like this. 1. have distrust in this new way of speaking. 2. I go out & I implement natural speech the best I can. (Not using force, not avoiding words, not pre planning sentences) 3. Some speaking situations don’t go well & some do. 4. I notice the situations in which I have success using this bizarre new way of speaking. 5. Gain more trust than before. Then Repeat 1-5

Christian,

As you rightly observe, trust grows over time.  What you’re doing seems totally right.  Keep going, bro.  You’re on the right path.

John H.
(Klipp från internet)
Tillit, tillit till det nya sättet att tala,men det är svårt stundom. Men man får lov att växa i tron. I tron på det jag kan förändra. Även om man ibland vacklar i tron på sig själv och det man gör. Ge inte upp! Trots rädsla och tvivel. Så  här långt ser det ut som att jag misströstar över mitt sätt att tala. Man försöker att tala så bra som man förmår. Utan att pressa på,utan att undvika vissa ord, utan att tänka ut vad jag ska säja i förväg. Ibland går det bra och ibland inte. Jag lägger märke till vissa situationer som jag har framgång i när jag använder det bisarra nya sättet att tala på. Skapa mer tillit. Och repetera!
Det här tycker jag, att vi är bekanta med när jag tänker på TALAkademin och vad vi erfarit där under årens lopp. Och John  Harrisons positiva kommentar stämmer bra.